Atheism
Is there a God?

 

   As the concept of faith is ever so increasingly challenged by the scientific mind, lets attend to their many concerns and challenge the basic ideals that attract new members to a vision where God does not exists or influence the destiny of one’s life. As opposed to the atheist’s view where it is solely reliant on the deeds of good men and God is non-existent. Now answers will be provided for their concerns in life, “The Atheist“.

   Below in red are statements from the one of the world’s leading Atheist’s web sites
http://www.atheists.org (coming out section, link below) justifying their belief, there is no God. (Copied verbatim)

   I, Grant will address their statements or questions and provide inspired rebuttals in black. The Grant Chronicles Org does endorse or sympathize with of the views of the quoted atheist website pertaining to a non-belief in God. This website was picked only to provide a counter view and was not contacted, but has given credit for their content and opinions with a link to the original site.


I see God as Santa Claus or Zeus, yet can find no reason that God should be given more credibility.

   Over time, mankind has envisioned fantasies to explain that, which he does not understand. A point that history has been repeated again and again. When the breath of the wind destroys the mud and grass huts, it was the gods. If famine struck, first animals, then children and elderly died thru lack of planning. Finally what as the healthy bread winner succumbs, it was the gods.
   Yet we now know that pressure differentials in the atmosphere in conjunction with the heat of the Sun and the Earth’s rotation primarily control the wind and famine varies according changing rainfall patterns and wise use of the land.
   Santa Claus was nothing more than a marketing tool to separate the consumer from there wages knowing you could never turn down the wanting eyes of your children. Yes, the concept has brought much joy and harmony to the family when done in moderation, but remember the reason to celebration, the birth of Christ.
Zeus will be revealed to mankind as an individual who exploited technology to maintain a grip of power, subjugation and slavery upon the weak men of Earth. While isolated away from the common man’s eyes, tales of these brief encounters are passed down by means of legends.
   Mankind can hardly envision how the elements of the periodic are created, no less life with the ability to think. No reproductive mass can be created under laboratory conditions from inert chemical combinations matter with an electrical spark or some other stimuli. It is just a dream of mankind with no more validity than the fictional character Dr. Frankenstein. Life originates from only one source, that which is of God.


The Bible goes so far as to forbid contact with atheists

   When you promote theme where division is the goal, your words need to be examined. The word of God promotes taking in the sinners, where no one among mankind is free of pleasures of life at the expense of others except that which is of God. Does not the Bible show that it was acceptable to eat with the tax collector and the prostitute. For it is the non believers He seeks no matter what there sin? It is only when He offers another way and your final choice is refusal, then that the opportunity is withdrawn until another time.
   As a new set of life experiences are freely chosen, they present you with challenges where that which is God is absent and it is the praise men you seek. Among those who don’t believe there is no separation or rules. Where those who are trying to live life are presented with true and false opportunities. In the end all are taken advantage by those who have like minds with the edge. No God to answer to, just the human self-conscience. You may want to reconsider your choice. When your soul has pondered many life changing decisions there may come a time to freely choose another path. The door is always open, but is your heart closed?


To me, one of the best components of atheism is the freedom of thought and mind

   One of the perceived joys of life is the lack of responsibility of a child. When growing up, our myopic perception of the world leads some to think we know it all. Why all the rules, this is my life and I make the decisions, but in the long term, wisdom is there for a parent to guide those excited to explore their world. Where you are allowed to develop with forgiveness of mistakes. There is freedom of thought and mind, but it comes with responsibility of one’s actions towards others, and that is a component of God. Question it? The Dark side provides the illusion of prosperity while creating a dependency for goods and power over others. The Dark side expands and contracts opportunity in order to consume the weak. The Dark side is a slow process where complacency of acceptance of one’s fate is desired, but all along was orchestrated over along period of time. Are you a victim?

We do good because it's the right thing to do, not out of a selfish fear of eternal damnation or a need to "win points" with a deity.

   The right thing to do is universal, it comes from the heart unconditionally. If your deeds are good, no need to brag for all you affect will talk of your actions. Instead, you call for division while spouting unity of your cause, what agenda is hidden behind the words, “it’s the right thing to do”.
   Trepidation of damnation are Man’s words to control the flock, for that which is of true spirit of God has all actions based on love, not fear. Where the façade of words to attract others are dismissed, unless backed by your actions. It is so easy to be respected by others as a charitable trust where you provide for others, but look beyond the veil. For every five dollars collected in good faith to help others one, two, three, four me and one for them. The bonus we get to pick who we help. A human asset when in position to give back when they get back on there feet, will maximize our donations, an investment. No problem to donate millions to a university, as long as they have a building carries on the family name. Allowing a fast track to family members to enter the freshman class, and in some cases a get out college pass, free of the pressures of grades.
   So are you recruiting under a façade of being persecuted by those of faith? If you don’t believe that is your choice, but you choose to push your opinion on others just like some religious groups you accuse, all with a self agenda. No one cares what you think until you try to influence others, why? Do you think just belief in God alone wins points? It is a way of life, where the anxiety of fear is reduced to almost nil. The goal is allow none to exist with those you interact with?
   Damnation is not a threat, but a cumulative result of your free will actions towards each life you touch or influence, a testing point. All of which comes daily in different levels of challenge to a spirit always balanced to where it is the affected life form that makes a firm decision. Do you not rob a bank out of selfish fear of jail or to win points with the police as a citizen in good standing?
   There is no penalty or advancement for your ideas until you affect the decisions of another, where there action turns negative as a result of your influence. Many think they only have man to fear for their decisions or raising anxiety level of the young. Most living beings on Earth have their doubts on the existence of God at some point in their lives. For the strong, faith and belief outweighs doubt, and those still learning keep the back door open. Men are behind the practice of atheism, self promoting his being to that equal of God. Frail, weak, unable to master his on world in turmoil now spinning out of control except for the few on top. Most choose to believe in God in hope of a better future, than walk the path of those who don’t believe, promoting a life that can not be sustained much longer as honor and welfare of the people is projected, but it is the larger piece of the pie that provides the motive. Isn’t better to learn from the example of those who make mistakes than to walk the same path, what about you?

Since we are bound only by our disbelief, there are atheists with differing views on every political, economic, and social issue. I view this as a benefit which should serve as a model from which the rest of the world could learn. Atheists are united in diversity.

   Here you have it backwards as self-elevation is your goal. You are the product of diversity on Earth as alternate free choice, not the other way around. Are not those bound by a belief in God diverse, just look around at the many faiths and beliefs all united in a higher power, but each are unique in there approach and traditions. One should not make claims as a source, when truly they are one of the many followers pushing forward with a different spin or view in life. All of which shall play out so that polar choices are made.
   Just to even the playing field, lets speak the truth about Atheists and diversity, few Women, few Blacks, few Latinos, few of Middle Eastern and Asian descent are significant participants of your core group. Is this truly a diverse package that is representative of the our world where one can learn from?


We are moral, we are ethical, and we're tired of being defamed and maligned for our disbelief. Sound familiar.

   No one on Earth can make that claim, for all men and women have a point of weakness and low points in their life that they would like to forget. We are not here to judge, for all of us have made mistakes, some larger than others. All are not perfect and learn different rates as we move through various stages of life and responsibility. When one sets out on a path with life’s different choices, do you expect all to get to the finish line at the same time? No, when you get there, it is your task to encourage, thus helping those far in the rear to finish. That is goal, that is your goal, not the comparison of time it takes one to complete. If you seek sympathy from those who have been wronged while trying to conform to society, then those that follow you carry a hidden secret, denial, because all on Earth share that same experience at some point in life.


The fact is, that there is nothing shameful about atheism. Rather, it should be viewed as a major accomplishment.

   If there was nothing shameful, then why do most hide rather than profess atheism, are you more comfortable in the shadows? Are you ashamed of your views while in the company of your respectable peers? Will they think less you? When you are about what is right yet still in the minority, you gather respect of others even if they don’t agree. Do you consider the absence of a guiding power an accomplishment as you elevate your self being as the greatest? Is it all about you? As a race matures, they come to realize the little “me” shifts to the larger “We” and the bigger picture is revealed through wisdom. When it is all about me, this is a childlike quality. As a race of living beings called Humans, is this a major achievement? Where do you stand?

Most people stick with the religion in which they were raised, never thinking or examining the reasons why.

   This is true. Religion, manmade is based upon the scriptures, the inspired word of God, delivered and scribed by His prophets and His spirit incarnated as the Son of Man. Humble, without faults, but denied by men of assumed power, because His truth was a threat to there little empires. The hidden agenda at that time for those who presided over the faithful followers was to be worshiped as gods among men. What is so sad, is that what was true then, few will admit, is true today.
   First, there is no exclusive way to God. It is your actions, your thoughts, your desires that determines your path. It is not a set upon age old rituals passed down over time established by a man to hold on to power and gather more of a flock. Where the control of wealth of the followers in some instances are well spent to help others and inversely funds exploited for covert personal gain.
   The will of God is to bring all together in equal harmony. Religion and its various sects, groups, and even cults promotes, that which separates. Hierarchy within creates envy by elevating the few, when they should serve. “Do you remember who you work for, or was that pledge to Me, the Almighty a façade to exploit my children of Earth“?
   Now that we covered those who have religion, those that have no belief need to truly examine why? If we as mankind know so few secrets of the universe, why are you so confident that is was a spontaneous self creation without guidance? Have you truly examined the reasons why there is no Great Spirit?

Those that switch religions (or sects of a particular religion) often never truly question the belief in a god.

   This is not true. Those that switch are still searching, for the religion they were brought up in, failed to inspire that which is within. So they float, hoping to find that which will complete there life and there is the problem. It is not a religion that brings spirituality and a closeness to God, but a commitment to change one’s life that starts within one’s soul. It is you that determines your fate and it is by personal actions affecting others, not as a passive follower acting within mankind‘s guidelines. The belief in God is not the question, but what is the best path to reach Him. If religion can provide a path for spiritual growth and give the opportunity to treat all justly and equal, then stick with it. It is there you can share the best of both worlds.

Those that do should be proud that they have searched and reached an educated conclusion, and so should you.

   Educated decision? Really, we are in the dark ages when evaluating that which is God. Almost all believed the Earth was flat. Few would dare challenge what their eyes saw. Again that which is of God can not be measured, cannot be seen however exists. Mankind was quick to validate an atom, although no one has seen it. Yet we know it is there by chemical interactions. Some experience interactions of the spirit, but discount its source through a lack of understanding. All may we have reasons to reconsider, do you?

Understand that the people you tell love you, and actually believe in God and their preachers’ teachings. They are victims - just as you are - of the lies and falsehoods told by religious organizations

   I agree, that all free to explore that which we call life, but they are not all victims when there is a belief in God. You seem to think they value their preachers teachings above that which is God’s. In some cases this is true. Realize for them, they believe in men and God is second. To entertain the thought that the life force of that which is of man as the center of the universe projects a bold thought. If you are the center, then why can you not explain the essence of life? It was suppose to be a random event. Can you duplicate this arbitrary event that has creates millions if not billions of life forms over the life of the Earth? You cannot even transmute an innate natural element. Organic lets not go there. If you cannot create life, then you cannot discount God. Create life then talk to us (never will happen), otherwise we believe in God.

Despite the fact that they may not like what they hear, for the most part, they need to know. Religious parents are often the most dismayed, having "failed" to bring up a good religious child.

   The exception to this rule was never considered, if you as a child are dependant on a religious parent, you know they would surely expel you from home or worse if they knew your true feelings. There are many examples of fatal encounters in the news when the truth is exposed. Freedom of religion and respecting yourself is important, but not more important than having a roof over your head. In this case, you may want to wait for independence before announcing your atheism. This is just one of the many reasons young fall away their family’s faith.

"Atheists have no morals, since they don't believe in God" - What a sad world it is when people can seriously say that humans need to fear eternal damnation in order to do good.
Examples:

Slavery was not only acceptable 200 years ago, it was considered a good deed by many, and defended using the bible. The bible was also used to justify the Holocaust, the Crusades, and the Spanish Inquisition. This shows that the bible can be used to defend even the most immoral and unethical ideals, and is therefore not an adequate yardstick to measure moral or ethical behavior.
   The Bible dictates many stories of slavery and the need for a leader to deliver a nation of oppressed peoples. Did not Moses free the Jewish slaves inspired by the word and help of God? Are you cherry picking?
   The Holocaust was not sanction in the Bible, where is it written among the pages, since this book does not predict the 20th century demise of some Jewish people when written 2,000 years ago. The Jews are the Bible’s chosen people, whom God has always protected when their prays call out. The Holocaust was an evil deed hatched by a select group of men and delivered by their front and backer Hitler. Although, not to deflect blame, but to expose the truth, for every great evil deed there are those who are seen and eventually become the fall guy, and those who pull the strings staying silently in the background never to be associated. This is the way of some men of great wealth and power.
   The Crusades and Spanish Inquisition were both used the name of God to further the wealth of men. Just another cause that exploited the 2nd commandment of God to advance a gain by men. It is not God that took the lives of innocent, but by those pretending to believe. They took no responsibility or accountable for there actions.
   The Bible gives a guide to how one should live life, it is men that commits atrocities and takes advantage of loopholes. Are you doing the same thing here by capitalizing on the injustices of the few and applying it a select whole?
Mention bad religious people. Remember that Hitler was a Catholic, and that Jeffrey Dahmer said grace before he ate his victims. Mention also that one need only open a newspaper to find yet another story about allegations against priests for sexual misconduct, often with children. Don't forget our good friends Jim Bakker (who swindled millions from his flock) and Jimmy Swaggart (asked for forgiveness only after being caught using prostitutes).
   Many proclaim to have a belief in God, but like some the beliefs when tested, they are just hollow words. Taking advantage of those who believe in words that inspire faith presented by those in a leadership role is nothing new on Earth. Some have an ulterior motive that is just a façade to achieve a self centered desire at the expense of others. A calculated shrewd front, is one of the oldest games in mankind’s history.
   To present Dahmer who says grace before eating people, is attempt to mock God and anyone who would use this as a tool of faith is a fool. Are you one or is this a misjudgment? When it comes of true men of faith, it is not the labels mankind bestow upon them, but their actions towards others and not one of your examples have the actions that representative of that which is God. There are many of mankind that do represent God all of which are missing in your comments. Why?
Always couple these statements with the fact that, while atheists make up 8-10% of the population at large, we only make up 1% of the population in prison. I mean, think of it, what if 8-10% of the population (on top of all the religious criminals) decided it was OK to steal, rape, and murder? We'd have chaos! These will serve to prove that religion and ethical behavior are not even slightly related.
   It is here men cherry pick that which they think is just and discard the unwanted. Do those who commit crime believe in God? There is no accountability to the victims, the law or God and you choose to count only those that are caught. Few would choose infinite suffering for quick apparent gain in lifetime that is not even a blink along the time scale of the universe once known as true. So what we have are practicing atheists, but you choose to not welcome them as peers, although your group has much in common with the criminal mind, a shared focal belief in that there is no God. There are all types of men and woman, there are all types of religious peoples and there are all types of atheists. There are no exceptions for any group within the framework of mankind, for all are guilty of cheating, lust, greed, murder and other vial acts. You need to come to terms it is not religion, but it is the sins of just men and women.

Atheism is not a scientific theory, rather a lack of religion.

   Religion is man’s interpretation of the word of God. Where those who are faithful choose to enlighten, there are others who have an ulterior motive, to use the word God in vain to gather Earthly wants. It is man that created religion and it is man where religion’s faults originate. When omitting a doctrine from one’s life, base it those who are truly behind its errors in life, mankind.

We do believe in science, and that all questions will eventually be answered with science if they are not answered today, but we readily admit that not all answers are known to us right now.

   That is an understatement. Can science explain how life formed from a singularity? How it continues to grow, develop and adapt to changes of outside forces, but these same changes cannot be duplicated in a lab. Could the world of science 100 years ago answer our questions today? Well a 100 years from now, little if any in the books of mankind’s science will be true on theoretical side.

That is no reason, however, for inventing a fictional god to whom to give credit, especially when all it does is create more questions.

   As we explore that which is called life, more questions are asked and we grow. Is mankind that all knowing to glimpse that which is not of matter? Mankind can not rule out that there is a God and as an emerging race we have yet to uncover the primary force in the universe, due to lack of understanding. Can we afford a continuation to elevate ourselves above all life forms without a clear picture of why and how we are here or consideration of a guiding force. This again is your free choice.

Science has done well so far, giving theories regarding evolution, geological movement, and the Big Bang, all supported by evidence, but not necessarily endorsed by all atheists.

   Really, evolution, but direct no DNA link to early species of what is suppose to be predecessors of man. Geological movement, the creep that spreads about the Atlantic rift is true, but its rate is variable due to an outside force soon to be revealed to mankind instead of a steady expansion of lava flowing from the rift. The Big Bang has no credibility, when it is proposed that all within this vast universe originated from a singularity. What created the singularity, was it always there? Independent subatomic particles with a designed task then materialized, to provide order to the universe, while at the same time allow room to mutate from innate to complex intelligent life forms. Need I go on? Current evidence disproves all theories mentioned, but the old school still grasps at straws to maintain status quo.

Atheists don't need to prove the non-existence of God, any more we need to prove the nonexistence of Zeus or Santa Claus. Can theists prove God over any alternatives? Of course not. Nobody can prove God exists, yet they will stand on their heads saying they're sure. Well, if they can be sure despite evidence to the contrary, we can be sure in light of evidence in support of atheism

   All through history we have heard the same old story. Those that exploit, cause confusion for what? Are you all knowing? Would you lay your life down on the premise of there is no God? Do you really think this Earthly life is it for the eons of time the universe exists? Morals originate from those who care whether they believe in God or not. If there is a religious group devoting all their time to improve human life welcome it. There is always the words I accept your help, but I pass on joining your group. It is called free will. You use it in your non belief. Life is about presenting polarized choices. So when a choice is made, you are sure as most avenues have been explored on both sides to your comfort level.

Just don't force your religion on other people. That's what we're all about.

   Are you not taking away a choice by your words? Are you afraid of those words that others may listen to? If all is what you say and you truly believe, then why do you fear the followers of a foolish doctrine? Don’t say you are trying to save the world when there are many pressing challenges presenting mankind far greater than religion and a cult attitude to do good. Remember when presented by that which based upon religion you have a free choice to say no. When presented to the Word of God again you have a choice. God does not force a way of life or doctrine like men, but He asks you to choose. Where do you stand?

"Atheists are so closed-minded, they can't see that miracles happen every day!" - Some people look for miracles where none exist (they never do). Allow me to put things in perspective: Someone's cancer going into remission is no miracle, but we can talk when disease suddenly disappears from the face of the earth overnight without help from medical science.

   Closed-minded, maybe your words ring true for some. There are many cases of cancer disappearing where medical science cannot explain. Whether it is one or many, it does not lessen the event. A man recently fell 500 ft from scaffolding, I say few would live falling 50. It is not about miracles as a reason to believe for they are gifts to selected souls that truly asked for help and receive it for a greater purpose than their lives being saved. Their example reaches many more than the grateful loved ones given another chance.

Food getting through to a hungry village: human perseverance. Starvation vanishing from earth without a reason overnight: Miracle. One more time: A child is born - science; The spontaneous end of birth defects - Miracle. Got it?

   Starvation vanishing from earth without a reason overnight, it could if properly managed when eliminating the causes, exceeding the Earth’s natural yield and the end of man’s greed. A child is born, science? So you are taking credit for a healthy separation of mother and child of the womb. Can you take credit for creating that life? Which is greater?


Note: only good things are miracles, so volcanoes, tornadoes, and hurricanes don't count. Use these only when you are sure of a congenial discussion, and be prepared to agree to disagree.

   Nature’s Fury is a natural process where equalization of pressure here on Earth through the various localized systems of wind and water are achieved. Is it not man that decides to live in proximity of eventual risk where one may lose their life? Wisdom is on the short side when your words phrase miracle and the destructive forces of nature in the same breath.

If God is all-powerful, why did he take 6 days to create the universe, resting on the 7th? Why didn't he just snap his proverbial fingers and create everything all at once, and not need rest afterwards? Doesn't sound so all-powerful to me.
   So you as man what did you create? Stress, stir hate, create doubt? Oh I am so proud of you! Grow up and join the group that that takes responsibility for one’s words and actions. The Bible was written by men with inspired words from God. They transcribed their ideas of creation on scrolls limited to the knowledge of the day, end of story.
If God knows the future, why does he make mistakes? He should have known he would regret the flood, and that Sodom and Gomora would be full of sinners, etc.
   Mistakes, did not God ask Noah to build an ark and offer safe passage to anyone who believed? He gave mankind a choice, but all when asked if they wanted safe passage, they laughed until their fate as known and then the door was shut. The only mistake made there was with man and his free will. Will you make that same mistake again if and when a similar lesson is presented a different way today?
Why does God need to be "served", and why can't we do it from heaven?
   Again you have it wrong, you serve God by treating all of mankind as yourself. If you have a problem with that concept, then your values that you preach towards others are a facade. If no challenge is presented in life to make a choice right or wrong, then how do you grow?
Yes, we have free will, but God already knows who will sin, who will accept Him, etc, for all eternity (since he has perfect knowledge of the future). Why then, are we here? Why not just send our souls to Heaven or Hell, depending on what he knows we'll do?
   Each life form is given a set of experiences and put in a situation that best suits his weaknesses, but allows expanded growth if that is what the soul wants. It is about free choice, where your decision is, to do what is right for all around you or to conform. Has the weight of opinions of those who temporarily maintain control of this world exceeded those you love or come into general contact. It is about getting ahead without stepping on others, can you make that choice?
Why does God care if he is praised? He is this all-knowing, super being, why does he care if we mere humans give him credit for creating the universe?
   Do you not give praise to your parents who bought you into this world? Praise is not what God wants, but respect for Him who gave you life and for all those He gave life in your general environment. Is that any different than what you want from your children? Respect, honor, follow the rules and you will give them all you have to offer and so shall the Father. For He is the creator, the Father of all life, the Father of you. We are all one family from one source no matter how different, lets act like it. If we examine that which is called life, can you see there is something that is shared when created?
How can you justify the fact that this merciful, loving god is sending all non-Christians to Hell, no matter how good they are? Even those from before Christ was born went to hell. However, terrible people, including Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer, could go to Heaven if they repented before death.
   Exactly what are you arguing here, if you do not believe in God your point is moot. Who stated that all non Christians go to hell? Men, unless you have the gift to peer into the future this is not true. It is about your actions inspired on the word of God towards others that seals your fate, not an affiliation to a religion or some other organization that is controlled by men and their promises. When considering that which is unjust among men, which by the way has always been a part of Human history, it is just different names same story. They all had families and in some cases, they were protected and forgiven no matter what their deeds for no other reason than the family name or connections. If you are truly sorry the Father forgives, just as you would to a son or daughter in your family. Could you refuse to forgive your child if they were truly sorry?
Why does this wonderful, forgiving God hold Adam's sin over all our heads? Why must we all pay for this by being permanent sinners? If God was so pissed, why didn't he just kill Adam and Eve and start over?
   The greatest gift God could give to mankind is free will and no matter what decisions are made. He allows all to learn, where actions do change lives or stagnate them. Again the story of Eden was put in simplistic terms for men and women thousands of years ago to grasp. It is about, when you make choices that affect others negatively, you are on your own to live with your own kind. Do not these same rules apply in your household?
Again, this is God's choice, so they're going to have to explain why God Chooses to hold this incredible grudge.
   It is man’s choice to exploit his own. This is where a controlling factor, responsibility for one’s actions is overseen. What parent would allow his children to ravage, kill, main, and exploit each other then welcome them home when they truly learned their lesson? A grudge means to never to forgive and this is not the word of God. Do you know that the door is always open when you are ready, are you ready to change?
Where did God come from?
   Unknown, even if known, mankind would not be able to comprehend the concept of that has always existed, in essence creation of living interacting matter out of pure love.
How did he get created?
   He has always been here, again the concept is confusing and all may not be totally understand. I guess that is why you asked the same question twice.
Why is it a valid argument to say that He "always existed", but an invalid argument to say the same thing about matter and energy?
   Invalid argument, here is where I can say you may have made a honest mistake. One of the most fundamental rules in physics is that, “matter cannot be created or destroyed”. It has always existed also. Questions?


   This exchange is meant to inform both sides. Where the goal is to allow the soul to lean closer towards a true choice with information without direct influence where a choice bears anxiety caused by others. It is your spiritual being, which are based on your experiences in life that molds you on Earth. It is better to learn the lesson by viewing others than follow down the same path. Especially when the result is despair. Free will is a gift, if Atheism is your choice, then explore it with all its lessons and you may find that is leaves you empty. When all seems to fail, remember in the end, the only requirement is an open heart. When put to the test will your heart still be open? If it is, the Lord states “Welcome Home“.

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